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आपल्या सुरक्षित गणल्या गेलेल्या शहरात सध्या चोऱ्या आणि घरफोड्यांचं सत्र सुरू आहे. गस्तीपथक, पत्रकांमार्फत जागृती अशा पोलिसांच्या उपायांना हे चोरटे चक्क वाकुल्या दाखवत आहेत. काल कर्वेनगर भागातले मकरंद दत्तात्रेय सहस्रबुद्धे आणि सुभाष शिवराम वैद्य यांचे फ्लॅट भरदिवसा फोडले. आतापर्यंत सुमारे 23 फ्लॅट फोडले गेले आहेत.

सहस्रबुद्धे हे दुपारी साडेतीनच्या सुमारास सदनिकेला कुलूप लावून बाहेर गेले होते. चोरट्यांनी अवघ्या 40 मिनिटांच्या कालावधीत त्यांच्या घरातील साडेअठरा हजार रुपयांची रआणि सोन्या-चांदीचे दागिने असा 47 हजार 500 रुपयांचा ऐवज चोरून नेला, तसेच वैद्य यांच्या घरीही दुपारी एक ते चारच्या दरम्यान चोरी झाली. या वेळी सोन्या-चांदीचे दागिने आणि साडेतेरा हजार रुपयांची रोख रचोरण्यात आली.
कोथरूड, कर्वेनगर परिसरात 7 ऑगस्ट रोजी दहा फ्लॅट फोडले होते, तर बंडगार्डन येथील अतुल सोसायटीत 8 ऑगस्टला सात फ्लॅट फोडण्यात आले. हडपसर, कोथरूड आणि स्वारगेट भागातील 10 ऑगस्टला दुपारच्या वेळी तीन फ्लॅट फोडले होते. कर्वेनगर परिसरात या आधीही फ्लॅट फोडण्याचे प्रकार घडलेले आहेत. पोलिसांच्या सुमार तपासामुळे घरफोड्यांना एक प्रकारे पाठबळ मिळत आहे. घर बंद ठेवून बाहेर पडावे की नाही, अशी भीती रहिवाशांमध्ये आहे. या भागात पाच महिन्यांपूर्वी झालेल्या घरफोड्यांचा अद्यापि तपास लागलेला नाही.
या बाबत आपण काही करू शकतो का? आपणच पोलिस ही भूमिका बजावता येईल का? शेजाऱ्यांना सांगून बाहेर पडणे, असे काही उपाय करता येतील का?


  1. shantanu said...

    There has been a massive destruction; be it mental, physical or financial! These dacoits are keeping a watch by every possible method available. We and not the Police,should take precautions regarding the same. Why is it always that police reach the spot late? Even when a report has been given they show no such urgency at that moment. Lack of Officers? Lack of seriousness? Or lots of stress?
    I have been a victim of recent robbery case which took place in Karvenagar.
    We cannot blame the Police alone. We the citizens, have to be alert and provide enough information to the nearby Police Station incase of any unnatural,unrealistic behaviour!
    I spoke with many Police Officers and what I found is that they are providing enough assistance to the public. I am happy with the officers from Alankar Police Station,Karvenagar who have provided assistance and have been very cooperative.
    One just cannot blame the constituiton,the law,the services etc..instead help them to reduce the criminal activites by providing information. Its true people develop an introvert behaviour towards Police and other legal cases in fear of putting oneself into problems.
    But thats not going to work. We people should come together and form a web for the Police to make their work easier.
    I appeal to everyone to develop your contacts,keep your eyes open,be self efficient and make use of every possible security measures.


  2. Neo said...

    Who is to blame? Who is to blame??Who ELSE is to blame but yourself? What prompted GREEDY puneiites to rent their flats to students or bachelors instead of families who can watch the neighbourhood more carefully? Money, right? What prompted puneiites to sell the Wadas to a builder for a mall and get shifted to a "serene" "near-to-nature" environment? Money, right? What prompted puneiites to accept outsiders blindly? Money, right? What prompted puneiites to increase the rents of living spaces in incremental ratios? Money, right? So you see, it is all about Money, honey! So puneiites are getting paid in the same token in which they have tried to trade for so long, infact they have loved it for so long! If what you say is "criminal", isn't converting Pune from a sleepy town to a booming metropolis for your own benefits a crime too? You want the rates of your properties to increase, but you do not want criminals to be around. Now is that logical? Wherever there is prosperity, there will be thieves. Wherever there is suger, there will be flies. Why did you -puneiites- allowed this beautiful town to convert into such mirror image of mumbai? Why didn't you raise a voice then? Why didn't you put pressure on government to stop IT-isation of Pune?

    Plus now you complain about police's attitude? How many of them are there? a handful to serve the population of lakhs. And you people elect the government which keeps this number that low in the name of what, "Keeping out religious fundamental parties"? Bullshit!

  3. Prasanna said...

    I guess it's enough of blaming anybody. Whoever is responsible for it but the damage is done already. We need to think what can be done toprevent this. I think being the flat owner it's our prime responsibility to take care of our own belongings. SO why to depend on anybody else to protect it. There is a wide spread tendancy in Puneits that they don't bother to spend extra penny for their own safety.

    I think it's high time for all Co-perative Socities and large colonies to get togather and show that you are living in Hi-tech Pune. All socities should consider building proper Boundry walls. Install Restricted Entry / access systems. Install Security Camera / survelience systems. Hire designated Security persons from reputed Security organasations. We may have to shell out few thousands from our pocket for it. But that's for our own security. Theft is just one of the problems, some times this leads to an loss of life for few poor unfortunates. And Mind that this few thousands (one time contribution) can save you few Lakhs and may be few pricess lives. I think we should give utmost importance to our security. Also consider buying a House / Content Insurance.

    Either SAKAL or few knowledgible people should take initiative with the help of Local Police Authorities in forming a comitte to do survey and make security recommendations for each and every Residential society.

    By taking these security precautions we will also make work easier for Police, should the worse happen.

  4. Anonymous said...

    Thats very logical Prasanna. We need more of such consructive ideas and implementation, rather than blames!!

  5. captsubh said...

    I am partially repeating comments on same subject again as it figures once again on Pune pratibimb in a short span of 2 months due to continuing spate of burglaries in Pune.
    १)प्रचंड वाढलेल्या लोकसंख्येमुळे व गरीब श्रीमंत यांच्यामधल्या वाढत्या दरीमुळे निर्ढावलेल्या व निगरगट्ट चोर वा दरोडेखोर यांच्याकडून भर दिवसा व रात्री पुण्यात जबरी चो-या,दरोडे करण्याचे प्रमाण अतिशय वाढत चालले आहे.
    २)पोलिसांची अपुरी संख्या,त्यांचे बरेचदा VIP security मध्ये व्यस्त/ग्रस्त असणे,त्यांनी कदाचित पकडलेच तर चोरांचे जामिनावर किंवा लाच देवून लवकरच सुटणे व त्यानंतर कित्येक वर्षेनवर्षे कोर्टात निकाल न लागणे यामुळे चोरांना शिक्षेचा जरब किंवा धाकच राहिला नाही!
    ३)आता नागरिकांनीच चोर पकडावेत अशी सुचनापण येथे काही जणानी आशादायक हेतूने केली आहे!पण प्रत्यक्षात मांजराच्या गळ्यात घंटा बांधणे ही किती कठीण गोष्ट आहे याचा अनुभव नसल्यामुळे पोलिसांचे काम सामान्य नागरिक कधीच करू शकणार नाहित.
    ४)अरबी व इतर कांही देशांत चोर पकडल्यावर गुन्ह्याच्या स्वरूपाप्रमाणे त्याला ताबडतोब शिक्षा काय होते?तर त्याचे हातपाय तोडले जातात किंवा त्याला फ़ाशीची शिक्षापण होते व त्याची अंमलबजावणी ताबडतोब होते व हे सर्व माध्यमांतून तमाम जनतेला दाखविले जाते.यामुळे भावी चोरदरोडेखोरांच्या मनात अतिशय भिती उत्पन्न होते व ते सहसा असे गुन्हे करायला धजावत नाहित.आपल्याइथे या प्रकारे कारवाई ताबडतोब सुरू करण्याची वेळ आलेली आहे!
    ५)नुकतीच राज्यातल्या सतत पडणा-या मोठ्या दरोड्यांमुळे वैतागलेल्या व कंटाळलेल्या सराफ़ांवर ’बंद’ पुकारण्याची वेळ आली होती कारण पोलिस व राज्यसरकार दरोडेखोर पकडण्यात व क्वच्चित पकडलेच तर त्यांना शिक्षा ठोठावण्यात अपयशी ठरले आहे!अशी पाळी येणे ही लाजिरवाणी व नामुष्किलीची गोष्ट आहे!
    आपण कधीकधी चोरदरोडेखोर पकडले गेल्याची बातमी वाचतो/ऐकतो पण पुढे काय होते?ते सर्व जामिनावर लवकरच सुटतात व कित्येक वर्षे चालणा-या कोर्ट केसेसनंतर ते पुराव्याअभावी शिक्षा न भोगताच सहीसलामत सुटतात!
    ६)Exemplary deterrent punishment has been the need of the hour in India for quite some time!Prevention is better than cure,but this is possible only if we have the courage to call a spade a spade!
    ७)And all human rights activists should desist from interfering in the police investigative methods!ज्या चोरांच्या मनात चो-या करतांना कुठलीहि दयामाया नसते त्यांचे पुळके घ्यायची गरज नाही.
    ८)द्रुतगती कोर्टांत अशा केसेसचे निकाल त्वरीत लावून severe summary exemplary शिक्षा झाली तरच परिस्थितीत सुधारणा होउ शकेल नाहितर "आलिया भोगाशी असावे सादर" हे आपण सतत अनुभवतो आहेच!
    A stage is now coming when going out for few hours can be risky!Are we in MAHARASHTRA or elsewhere?

  6. Suhas said...

    i agree with neo.. yes, certainly punekars should take the responsibility for each and everything in the city. the first thing i noticed about after a gap of 7 or so years is the city has just gone beyond the capacities to control. i don't think police will ever be helpful in this matter unless and until they will be supported by the people. here in pune, people have changed. they can't see people dying on road in accidents, why they will bother about the neighbor's flat... let alone calling the police.

    i would like to suggest
    1. Private security guards for building. here most of members in societies think that the security guard for the building is their personal attendent. they ask the guard to bring paan-bidi, water, and whatever. the security guard arrangement should be for full-time, in 3 shifts. don't allow the flat owners to keep bachelors (any indian, foreigner). if there are any, ask them to be at room by say 10 in the evening. ask the watchman to keep gate closed by 10.
    2. Ask the watchman to keep register for each and every outsider who enters the builiding premises. i know it will cost you more, but nothing comes for free. if you want to be secure, you should have to be more professional for basic security. tell the watchman to provide escort to every visitor to his/her destination flat.
    3. keep eye on the security professionals also.
    4. tell all the flat members to provide with their emergency contact numbers. keep emergency phone numbers handy.
    5. Be friendly with the neighbors, especially those who are living alone away from their parents/children.
    6. If affordable, use hidden cameras.

    i think it will help a lot.


  7. Anonymous said...

    I certainly agree with some of the points regarding personal security.It is very important not to blame the police ,as the number of crimials outnumber the police.I guess majority people forget the point why criminals do arise.This is due to the difference in wealth with rich and poor.One of the reasons behind that is the tax system.And for all those people who evade tax...think twice if you are different to the robber.With the population always rising it is bound to create these problems.Also for all those people who feel Pune has been infiltrated ,they need to think twice.Unless Pune is a seperate nation there is no right for anyone to say or unless the borders are controled .What a great united nation with 60 years of independence????.It is racism.And for all those who go to other greaner pastures(US,Uk..etc) would you like the same to be said about you ,outsiders have come here.So the problem lies in the division beetween poor and the rich & population.

  8. neo said...

    Dear Anonymous of August 15, 2007 6:19 PM,

    Well, well, well. Here comes my man. Patriotic to the core. Aren't you? Gee. Where should I pat you? Now let me see what you are saying. You are saying I am a -what- racist? Just because I don't want outsiders to be here? So errr what are you exactly? Bihari? UPiite? Muslim? And what "great" nation are you talking about? The same nation which does not bring a single gold medal in olympics? Which teaches that Sawarkar was a fundamentalist? Which says that Muslims have "greater" right to itself than Hindus? Which loses a third part of kashmir to pakistan because it's first prime minister was a "visionary"? Which gives fifty percent of it's educations seats to non-performers even after sixty years? Which bloody nation are you talking about? Everybody in India is "something".. a tamilian, a punjabi, a bihari etc etc and then Indian. Why should this be teached only to Maharashtrians? Ever tried to purchase land in Bihar or eastern UP if you are not a Bihari or UPiite? Do that, see and then tell me. Every state in India is a nation unto itself, except for Maharashtra. And because of that, the former Home minister of Maharashtra was a UPiite. Ever seen a Maharashtrian as Home minister of UP? So don't tell me logic. I am better in it.

  9. Anonymous said...

    Dear Neo,
    I guess you are really patriotic.Me I am from ,Pune(born & living) & Brahmin.I guess I havent bought a land in Bihar but,you have to accept the rule of life that always people will be going to the greener pastures.I think you have not got my point.What I have said is the criminal exist due to the difference in the economic wealth between people. I guess you are really not at the mature age to understand globalisation and where socialist views stand.Currently we are in a capitalistic world which will have these problems.And great to see alot of people still having no brains that the evil plan which was executed by the British is still working really good..(Hindu & Muslim) and really grow up .At no point was demeaning your logic.I guess you have not come to the mature age of having a constructive debate

  10. Neo said...

    Ha!! Talking about maturity, just tell me what Japan and Germany were fifty years ago. They were turned into rubble. In post-war era, majority of their inhabitants were not more than beggars searching food on streets. Now where are they? Forget these. Think about China. Do you want me to send you the links to it's prosperity? Google the images tab for "Shanghai" and then for "mumbai". And see the difference. Now tell me, why didn't Japan and Germany turn into an Afghanistan? Then you will know why your logic of "criminal exist due to the difference in the economic wealth between people" fails. If you still do not understand, I will elaborate it for you. It all comes to -as you said- globalisation. True. The only problem is, some people can not leave behind their social and political dogma. Neither can they adopt special skills necessary for new world order, nor can they leave their pride and actually work. The common excuses heard are: "My forefathers were descendents of Shivaji"; "My forefathers were related to Peshvas"; "We were downtrodden for five thousand years, so we have right to make the country dirty" and so on and so forth.. This mentality of "Me" being either special than everybody or being downtrodden for long and therefore has special right, is the root cause. That will be there even after fifty thousand years. People of India will always have excuses for NOT doing their duties. Half of so called citizens of pune are political activists (meaning who earn without doing anything) and probably earn their living by being some sort of agent: from passport agent to property agent. Indians simply can not become hardworking and self-respecting gentle people. That is why British rule is still attractive even when it is not supposed to be attractive. If you want to keep your eyes closed to reality in the name of maturity, do that. We are doing that for fifty years. If maturity amounts to political talking, I better remain immature.

    P.S. And by the way, about "Hindus and Muslims" issue, you will learn. Probably the hard way. The way America did.

  11. Prasanna said...

    Well Brothors, please this is not time for all this. I really appreciate your concerns and knowledge. We should start respecting different ideas & views, as that's what make us different from each other. And should stop criticising it. Politics is the very high level subject and I do salute to them who really understand what happens in this politics under the name of domocracy. Some time I doubt that are we really living in democracy. Is there anybody in this politics who really care what you and me think and want. What our problems are?

    But we all know that blaming them or our habits isn't going to do any good to ourseleves. I am really impressed by the initiative taken by few flat owners in Sinhagad road area, and few residents lead Kruti samities as well. We need to find the way to communicate our suggestions and ideas to these people who have actually started working in this area and who has some influence.

    We need to start from basics, and should not really waste our time now (perticulerly in tis topic) in talking about few things which we will not be able to change overnight or out of our control. But they are indeed worth points that we should consider carefully as being Puneites.

    I am sorry, if I have offended anyone, as i have no intentions what so ever to do so.

  12. Anonymous said...

    Blame , the Punekars Themselves.
    1. Punekars pay the highest Taxes to Govt.of Maharashtra (Thosuands of Crores).
    2. But any Govt. (Cogress or BJP), has not provided sufficient number of Police to Pune.
    3. Punekar's are blind : despite of this un-justice from the Rulers in Mumbai, they always keep quite.
    4. They never press for any demand on any Govt.
    5. blame all the Political masters of Pune ( Minister, MLA, MP)- Nobody has tried to get sufficient number of police for Pune.
    6. Blame the Punekar's who repeatedly elect the non-performing MPs, MLAs and Corporators.
    7. Blame the Punekar's for their limited , self-centric attitude.
    There is no strong neighbour-hood binding in Pune.
    8. At least 50% of the people in society / apartment even does not know, who lives on their floor, in their building , in their campus.

  13. Anonymous said...

    Blame the System of Investigation and Punishment.
    1. In India, the criminal who commits even a murder stays out of jail for at least 15 years.(on bail)
    2. Same is the case with all criminals.
    3. Only 50% of the criminals are caught by the police. But they are left free on the bail.
    4. Because of this the professional criminals does not care for the punishment. Because they always get BAIL and not punishment.
    5. There should fast-track courts, for handling criminals.
    6. Once the criminal is caught by police, his case should be decide within one month.
    7. In one month only there should be final decision about the punishment.
    8. Punishment should be harsh, so that the same criminal should never dare to repaeat such crime.
    9. If the fast and harsh punishcment is given to the existing criminals, There will fall in the number of new criminals.

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